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Hilary May's avatar

I've read this novel dozens of time (I will really try not to type any spoilers) and I have to admit that this part (especially as a teenager) is the bit I would skim read - dreading the cringe of Mrs Bennet and Mr Collins etc. So it's really nice to read it slowly and pay attention. It's fascinating how Lizzy doesn't even hesitate for a moment over refusing Mr Collins (not surprising in the context of the story, but surprising for the period perhaps) - he's shockingly blunt about how likely she is to get another offer! I find it fascinating that she knows she can rely on her father's support - I would guess that wouldn't have been the case for a lot of other young women in the same situation. I also had forgotten how blatant Charlotte's catching Mr Collins was - and really interesting to get her perspective. To be frank I completely sympathise with her - I don't think the lives of impoverished spinsters had much to recommend it - whereas even being married to a stupid (but importantly not unkind as far as we can tell) man gave you a household to manage and a degree of respect. I am so glad times have changed! Like others I'm always surprised how Lizzy is so trusting of Wickham but I guess it's partly because she is already prejudiced against Darcy for calling her tolerable! I wonder if she would have been so believing if it was Bingley he was complaining about? (in the unlikely event it was Caroline she would definitely believe him!). I think the lines in Chap 18 are quite telling 'That would be the greatest misfortune of all! To find a man agreeable whom one is determined to hate!' But my favourite line is regarding Mr Collins's second proposal 'In as short a time as Mr Collins's long speeches would allow...' which made me laugh out loud!

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A. Wilder Westgate's avatar

This section of the novel feels like such a train wreck (plot-wise, certainly not Austen's writing). It genuinely feels like almost nothing more could have gone wrong at the Netherfield ball, with Lizzy's family constantly embarrassing her and staying way past their welcome. The only good thing is Jane and Bingley spending so much time together and being so absorbed in conversation that they hardly pay attention to anything else.

And then almost immediately Mr. Collins proposes to Lizzy and "we are all in uproar!" I think it's very telling that Lizzy clearly states that she knows he could not make her happy and that she's the last woman on earth who could make him so, and instead of acknowledging the terrible match for what it is, Collins blames *her* and says he actually doesn't want her anyway because *she's* clearly the problem. Mr. Bennet's line about having to choose between her parents because "I will never see you again if you do [say yes to Collins]" is one of my favourite moments in the whole novel.

And Charlotte! I think it's a little strange that Lizzy really couldn't see that her friend was much more pragmatic and would easily marry for security over love, since she speaks her mind so openly. It makes me sad that she feels she can no longer confide in Charlotte, but I think it illustrates just how close Lizzy and Jane really are, because even her closest friend could deeply disappoint her, but not Jane (and don't we all feel that way about Jane? She is so good).

There's so much rising tension in relation to Bingley. Lizzy can't believe that he doesn't care for Jane, but even she's starting to wonder if the pressure of his family and friends might be enough to persuade him to stay away. And of course Mrs. Bennet can't seem to see how upset she's making poor Jane by constantly bringing it up and talking about her own feelings.

It really struck me again how Mr. Collins continues to rub me the wrong way because he keeps lucking into things (his job, house, inheritance, and now the marriage to Charlotte) and while he goes on at length about how grateful he is for being able to stay with the Bennets, he also is very happy to take advantage again immediately afterward in order to "make love" to his new fiance (while insulting the Bennets because he didn't really want to see them anyway). His "humility" is so false, it's infuriating.

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